Discussion:
Chameleon’s cores unified user experience
jugac64-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 18:53:36 UTC
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I am thinking about how to improve the usability and standardize the user experience when using the Chameleon with the several cores.


I believe that with small changes on the cores it would be easier to learn how to use the Chameleon for newcomers and move from one core to another.


For example:


- All the cores should reset to core 0 when right blue button is pressed > 0.6seg


- Common key mapping: it would be ideal if some common key mapping could be used between the cores, for example “+” button should be the same button on all the cores, etc. I will write a table with all the keymaps of the different cores and post soon.


More than fixing the core’s compatibility bugs, the idea of this is to help users having a common base to use the different cores.



Any other suggestions?
Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 19:07:58 UTC
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Agreed on the reset - though if that is done it would be good to build it
into a common component that cores can instantiate. e.g. perhaps
chameleon_io could handle this.

Regarding the keyboard mapping. I think a common way of remapping the keys
would be good. e.g. an editor that can write to a file that remaps the ps2
keys. However for the default on the Atari800 I'm sticking to as closely
matching the original layout as possible. It feels more 'real' with the
original layout to me - especially with some nice stickers on.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I am thinking about how to improve the usability and standardize the user
experience when using the Chameleon with the several cores.
I believe that with small changes on the cores it would be easier to learn
how to use the Chameleon for newcomers and move from one core to another.
- All the cores should reset to core 0 when right blue button is pressed > 0.6seg
- Common key mapping: it would be ideal if some common key mapping could
be used between the cores, for example “+” button should be the same button
on all the cores, etc. I will write a table with all the keymaps of the
different cores and post soon.
More than fixing the core’s compatibility bugs, the idea of this is to
help users having a common base to use the different cores.
Any other suggestions?
Spider Jerusalem spider-BWapaiXhyQlfOZc0+OmrVg@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 19:09:08 UTC
Permalink
Hi,

while this is probably a good idea, it would be really cool if you could
discuss this and everything concerning cores other than the C64 core
somewhere else...
All the atari core talk that took place here already felt very much like
spam to me, because this goes to my email and I like to keep things
sorted here.

I think it's okay when someone once in a while anounces a new core or
someone asks how to install one etc... but personally I'd like this list
to be focused on the C64 core and beta testing.

Of course this is just my opinion and if there are a lot of people
thinking differently it will be okay for me.

Cheers,
spider.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I am thinking about how to improve the usability and standardize the user experience when using the Chameleon with the several cores.
I believe that with small changes on the cores it would be easier to learn how to use the Chameleon for newcomers and move from one core to another.
- All the cores should reset to core 0 when right blue button is pressed > 0.6seg
- Common key mapping: it would be ideal if some common key mapping could be used between the cores, for example “+” button should be the same button on all the cores, etc. I will write a table with all the keymaps of the different cores and post soon.
More than fixing the core’s compatibility bugs, the idea of this is to help users having a common base to use the different cores.
Any other suggestions?
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Posted by: Spider Jerusalem <spider-BWapaiXhyQlfOZc0+***@public.gmane.org>
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Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 19:19:05 UTC
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Err, you can blacklist me. I'm here as a favour.
Post by Spider Jerusalem spider-BWapaiXhyQlfOZc0+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Hi,
while this is probably a good idea, it would be really cool if you could
discuss this and everything concerning cores other than the C64 core
somewhere else...
All the atari core talk that took place here already felt very much like
spam to me, because this goes to my email and I like to keep things
sorted here.
I think it's okay when someone once in a while anounces a new core or
someone asks how to install one etc... but personally I'd like this list
to be focused on the C64 core and beta testing.
Of course this is just my opinion and if there are a lot of people
thinking differently it will be okay for me.
Cheers,
spider.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I am thinking about how to improve the usability and standardize the
user experience when using the Chameleon with the several cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I believe that with small changes on the cores it would be easier to
learn how to use the Chameleon for newcomers and move from one core to
another.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- All the cores should reset to core 0 when right blue button is pressed
0.6seg
- Common key mapping: it would be ideal if some common key mapping could
be used between the cores, for example “+” button should be the same button
on all the cores, etc. I will write a table with all the keymaps of the
different cores and post soon.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
More than fixing the core’s compatibility bugs, the idea of this is to
help users having a common base to use the different cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Any other suggestions?
Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 19:19:30 UTC
Permalink
Can we ban this guy?
Post by Spider Jerusalem spider-BWapaiXhyQlfOZc0+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Hi,
while this is probably a good idea, it would be really cool if you could
discuss this and everything concerning cores other than the C64 core
somewhere else...
All the atari core talk that took place here already felt very much like
spam to me, because this goes to my email and I like to keep things
sorted here.
I think it's okay when someone once in a while anounces a new core or
someone asks how to install one etc... but personally I'd like this list
to be focused on the C64 core and beta testing.
Of course this is just my opinion and if there are a lot of people
thinking differently it will be okay for me.
Cheers,
spider.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I am thinking about how to improve the usability and standardize the
user experience when using the Chameleon with the several cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I believe that with small changes on the cores it would be easier to
learn how to use the Chameleon for newcomers and move from one core to
another.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- All the cores should reset to core 0 when right blue button is pressed
0.6seg
- Common key mapping: it would be ideal if some common key mapping could
be used between the cores, for example “+” button should be the same button
on all the cores, etc. I will write a table with all the keymaps of the
different cores and post soon.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
More than fixing the core’s compatibility bugs, the idea of this is to
help users having a common base to use the different cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Any other suggestions?
Jens Schoenfeld jens-S0d+oa0fsY4@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 19:22:34 UTC
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Post by Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Can we ban this guy?
I have to say that Spider-J is one of the most active bug reporters for
the C64 core. While I didn't really like the comment about the Atari
core mails feeling like spam, I do appreciate his intense work in
writing excellent bug reports over a long period of time. Banning him
feels totally wrong.

ciao,
--
Jens Schönfeld


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Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 19:24:48 UTC
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Yeah, sorry. Should think, breathe then email. Having a tough evening,
which I agree is no excuse. He didn't even reply directly to me...

Mark
Post by Jens Schoenfeld jens-S0d+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Post by Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Can we ban this guy?
I have to say that Spider-J is one of the most active bug reporters for
the C64 core. While I didn't really like the comment about the Atari
core mails feeling like spam, I do appreciate his intense work in
writing excellent bug reports over a long period of time. Banning him
feels totally wrong.
ciao,
--
Jens Schönfeld
Spider Jerusalem spider-BWapaiXhyQlfOZc0+OmrVg@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 20:01:14 UTC
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It was just meant as a request :-)
I already wrote in my last sentence that it's okay for me to discuss
this stuff here if it's okay for the majority.
It's just that *I* have more work here sorting mails and thought maybe a
web forum would be a better way to discuss this stuff.
Sorry, but I'm not a native english speaker so maybe it wasn't clear
what I wanted to say... wasn't my intention to offend anyone.

Cheers,
spider.
Post by Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Yeah, sorry. Should think, breathe then email. Having a tough evening,
which I agree is no excuse. He didn't even reply directly to me...
Mark
Post by Jens Schoenfeld jens-S0d+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Post by Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Can we ban this guy?
I have to say that Spider-J is one of the most active bug reporters for
the C64 core. While I didn't really like the comment about the Atari
core mails feeling like spam, I do appreciate his intense work in
writing excellent bug reports over a long period of time. Banning him
feels totally wrong.
ciao,
--
Jens Schönfeld
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Posted by: Spider Jerusalem <spider-BWapaiXhyQlfOZc0+***@public.gmane.org>
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Jens Schoenfeld jens-S0d+oa0fsY4@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-08-01 08:25:03 UTC
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Post by Spider Jerusalem spider-BWapaiXhyQlfOZc0+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
and thought maybe a
web forum would be a better way to discuss this stuff.
Web forum is also what we've been discussing internally, because we're
working on a completely new website for iComp anyway. However, the only
available forum as a plug-in for the CMS we've chosen lacks key features
that will keep spammers outside, and it also lacks some moderation tools
that we feel are required.

Further, having a forum inside a shop site where customer data needs to
be "absolutely safe" doesn't feel that safe any more, because forums are
frequently hacked. It feels safer to separate customer data (the shop)
from a forum.

This calls for another sub-domain on a separate VM for a support forum,
and I need to talk to some forum operators to find suitable forum
software. If anyone has detail knowledge about proper forum software
from the operator/moderator side, please send me a private eMail - I
don't want to discuss that on this list :-)

thanks,
Jens


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Paul Förster paul_r_foerster-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-08-01 08:40:57 UTC
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Hi Jens,
Post by Jens Schoenfeld jens-S0d+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Web forum is also what we've been discussing internally
I vote against a web forum. They involve way too much clicky-clicky action and are hence way too time consuming.

How about setting up a mailing list server (e.g. => www.list.org). Many companies or projects have that, usually under lists.<company>.<domain>. Examples: lists.ubuntu.com, lists.w3.org, lists.perl.org, etc. So why not a lists.icomp.de? Just a thought...
--
cul8er

Paul
paul_r_foerster-/***@public.gmane.org



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robinsonb5-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-08-01 14:12:02 UTC
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Hi :)

For what it's worth, I vote in favour of a web forum. Chances are the traffic won't be massive - so as long as the forum software provides a "posts since last visit" list it'll be easy to skim.

(Am I the only one who finds the current Yahoo Groups web interface a pain to deal with, by the way?)

And getting back to the original topic, I have to agree that some consistency between cores can only be a good thing, and when I have time I'll put some effort into getting the Minimig core's "return to chameleon" option working reliably, and map it to the button as suggested.

I've also made a start on something to translate C64 keystrokes into PS/2 keystrokes, so that other cores will be able to make use of the C64 keyboard. I'm currently using a tiny processor and ROM to do this; once it works reliably, I'll see whether or not it'd be feasible, or more efficient to do it in RTL.

All the best
--
Alastair M. Robinson


---In ***@yahoogroups.com, <***@...> wrote :

Hi Jens,
Post by Jens Schoenfeld jens-S0d+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Web forum is also what we've been discussing internally
I vote against a web forum. They involve way too much clicky-clicky action and are hence way too time consuming.

How about setting up a mailing list server (e.g. => www.list.org). Many companies or projects have that, usually under lists.<company>.<domain>. Examples: lists.ubuntu.com, lists.w3.org, lists.perl.org, etc. So why not a lists.icomp.de? Just a thought...
--
cul8er

Paul
***@... mailto:***@...
Tobias tobias-S0d+oa0fsY4@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-08-01 14:16:27 UTC
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Post by Paul Förster paul_r_foerster-/***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Hi Jens,
Post by Jens Schoenfeld jens-S0d+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Web forum is also what we've been discussing internally
I vote against a web forum. They involve way too much clicky-clicky action
and are hence way too time consuming.
please lets not discuss THAT here, ok?
--
http://www.icomp.de http://wiki.icomp.de


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Peter Wendrich pwsoft-iYaX0aD0rSNBDgjK7y7TUQ@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 20:08:17 UTC
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Hoi,

Oh sure we could ban random people. However I don't like banning people
just because they have a different opinion. Especially if they express
it in a honest and (relative) polite manner.

The description of the group:
"This list is for bug reports, questions and feature requests for the
Turbo Chameleon cartridge for the Commodore 64. It provides VGA
connector, REU emulation, virtual drive and turbo mode all in one
cartridge." says nothing about exclusivity for the main C64 core. In my
option "feature requests" would include alternative platforms and I
would personally would not call that "spam" at all. That said I have at
least 4 alternative cores on my name so I might be slightly biased ;-)

Creating multiple discussion groups does not have my preference
(implying even more moderation work for me? No thank you!).

Mark, we as TC64 community invited you here and you are very welcome. Do
not get upset because one individual expresses an alternative opinion.

Spider, sorry I don't agree with you. I want all developers and
beta-testers in the same group to have the maximum use of all available
knowledge and saves time by not need to repeat postings. Maybe (but
maybe) when we have left beta stage we can create an additional group
for just C64 end-users and keep only the developers here. I don't want
to play moderator on too many separate groups. My hobby time is already
limited.

Thanx,
Peter Wendrich
webmaster of http://syntiac.com
moderator of cone_cores and chameleon_64
Post by Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Can we ban this guy?
__
Hi,
while this is probably a good idea, it would be really cool if you could
discuss this and everything concerning cores other than the C64 core
somewhere else...
All the atari core talk that took place here already felt very much like
spam to me, because this goes to my email and I like to keep things
sorted here.
I think it's okay when someone once in a while anounces a new core or
someone asks how to install one etc... but personally I'd like this list
to be focused on the C64 core and beta testing.
Of course this is just my opinion and if there are a lot of people
thinking differently it will be okay for me.
Cheers,
spider.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I am thinking about how to improve the usability and standardize
the user experience when using the Chameleon with the several cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I believe that with small changes on the cores it would be easier
to learn how to use the Chameleon for newcomers and move from one
core to another.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- All the cores should reset to core 0 when right blue button is
pressed > 0.6seg
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- Common key mapping: it would be ideal if some common key
mapping could be used between the cores, for example “+” button
should be the same button on all the cores, etc. I will write a
table with all the keymaps of the different cores and post soon.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
More than fixing the core’s compatibility bugs, the idea of this
is to help users having a common base to use the different cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Any other suggestions?
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Posted by: Peter Wendrich <pwsoft-***@public.gmane.org>
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'Tom Bonucchi' tombonucchi-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 20:22:24 UTC
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I appreciate most of the traffic on the group, and especially all the efforts of those who helped improve this amazing device.

I think a "standard" configurable interface for all cores is a great idea.

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Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 22:08:17
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Subject: Re: [chameleon_64] Chameleon’s cores unified user experience

Hoi,

Oh sure we could ban random people. However I don't like banning people
just because they have a different opinion. Especially if they express
it in a honest and (relative) polite manner.

The description of the group:
"This list is for bug reports, questions and feature requests for the
Turbo Chameleon cartridge for the Commodore 64. It provides VGA
connector, REU emulation, virtual drive and turbo mode all in one
cartridge." says nothing about exclusivity for the main C64 core. In my
option "feature requests" would include alternative platforms and I
would personally would not call that "spam" at all. That said I have at
least 4 alternative cores on my name so I might be slightly biased ;-)

Creating multiple discussion groups does not have my preference
(implying even more moderation work for me? No thank you!).

Mark, we as TC64 community invited you here and you are very welcome. Do
not get upset because one individual expresses an alternative opinion.

Spider, sorry I don't agree with you. I want all developers and
beta-testers in the same group to have the maximum use of all available
knowledge and saves time by not need to repeat postings. Maybe (but
maybe) when we have left beta stage we can create an additional group
for just C64 end-users and keep only the developers here. I don't want
to play moderator on too many separate groups. My hobby time is already
limited.

Thanx,
Peter Wendrich
webmaster of http://syntiac.com
moderator of cone_cores and chameleon_64
Post by Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Can we ban this guy?
__
Hi,
while this is probably a good idea, it would be really cool if you could
discuss this and everything concerning cores other than the C64 core
somewhere else...
All the atari core talk that took place here already felt very much like
spam to me, because this goes to my email and I like to keep things
sorted here.
I think it's okay when someone once in a while anounces a new core or
someone asks how to install one etc... but personally I'd like this list
to be focused on the C64 core and beta testing.
Of course this is just my opinion and if there are a lot of people
thinking differently it will be okay for me.
Cheers,
spider.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I am thinking about how to improve the usability and standardize
the user experience when using the Chameleon with the several cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I believe that with small changes on the cores it would be easier
to learn how to use the Chameleon for newcomers and move from one
core to another.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- All the cores should reset to core 0 when right blue button is
pressed > 0.6seg
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- Common key mapping: it would be ideal if some common key
mapping could be used between the cores, for example “+” button
should be the same button on all the cores, etc. I will write a
table with all the keymaps of the different cores and post soon.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
More than fixing the core’s compatibility bugs, the idea of this
is to help users having a common base to use the different cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Any other suggestions?
Jens Drößler jens.droessler-S0/GAf8tV78@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 21:47:51 UTC
Permalink
Maybe we could put defined prefixes in the subject line (like --C64—for things regarding the C64 core etc.), so it’s easier to keep track. Wouldn’t that make things easier?



Von: chameleon_64-***@public.gmane.org [mailto:chameleon_64-***@public.gmane.org]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2014 22:08
An: chameleon_64-***@public.gmane.org
Betreff: Re: [chameleon_64] Chameleon’s cores unified user experience





Hoi,

Oh sure we could ban random people. However I don't like banning people
just because they have a different opinion. Especially if they express
it in a honest and (relative) polite manner.

The description of the group:
"This list is for bug reports, questions and feature requests for the
Turbo Chameleon cartridge for the Commodore 64. It provides VGA
connector, REU emulation, virtual drive and turbo mode all in one
cartridge." says nothing about exclusivity for the main C64 core. In my
option "feature requests" would include alternative platforms and I
would personally would not call that "spam" at all. That said I have at
least 4 alternative cores on my name so I might be slightly biased ;-)

Creating multiple discussion groups does not have my preference
(implying even more moderation work for me? No thank you!).

Mark, we as TC64 community invited you here and you are very welcome. Do
not get upset because one individual expresses an alternative opinion.

Spider, sorry I don't agree with you. I want all developers and
beta-testers in the same group to have the maximum use of all available
knowledge and saves time by not need to repeat postings. Maybe (but
maybe) when we have left beta stage we can create an additional group
for just C64 end-users and keep only the developers here. I don't want
to play moderator on too many separate groups. My hobby time is already
limited.

Thanx,
Peter Wendrich
webmaster of http://syntiac.com
moderator of cone_cores and chameleon_64
Post by Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Can we ban this guy?
__
Hi,
while this is probably a good idea, it would be really cool if you could
discuss this and everything concerning cores other than the C64 core
somewhere else...
All the atari core talk that took place here already felt very much like
spam to me, because this goes to my email and I like to keep things
sorted here.
I think it's okay when someone once in a while anounces a new core or
someone asks how to install one etc... but personally I'd like this list
to be focused on the C64 core and beta testing.
Of course this is just my opinion and if there are a lot of people
thinking differently it will be okay for me.
Cheers,
spider.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I am thinking about how to improve the usability and standardize
the user experience when using the Chameleon with the several cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I believe that with small changes on the cores it would be easier
to learn how to use the Chameleon for newcomers and move from one
core to another.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- All the cores should reset to core 0 when right blue button is
pressed > 0.6seg
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- Common key mapping: it would be ideal if some common key
mapping could be used between the cores, for example “+” button
should be the same button on all the cores, etc. I will write a
table with all the keymaps of the different cores and post soon.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
More than fixing the core’s compatibility bugs, the idea of this
is to help users having a common base to use the different cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Any other suggestions?
fierman fierman-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 22:29:26 UTC
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without wanting to step on someones toes: maybe it would be a nice idea to
migrate the list to a proper mailinglist setup, whith digest mode etc. (the
yahoo spam is annoying me to no end)
And I do believe anything related to tc64 belongs in here: including zx
spectrum. amiga and atari cores.
Post by Jens Drößler jens.droessler-S0/***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Maybe we could put defined prefixes in the subject line (like --C64—for
things regarding the C64 core etc.), so it’s easier to keep track. Wouldn’t
that make things easier?
*Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 31. Juli 2014 22:08
*Betreff:* Re: [chameleon_64] Chameleon’s cores unified user experience
Hoi,
Oh sure we could ban random people. However I don't like banning people
just because they have a different opinion. Especially if they express
it in a honest and (relative) polite manner.
"This list is for bug reports, questions and feature requests for the
Turbo Chameleon cartridge for the Commodore 64. It provides VGA
connector, REU emulation, virtual drive and turbo mode all in one
cartridge." says nothing about exclusivity for the main C64 core. In my
option "feature requests" would include alternative platforms and I
would personally would not call that "spam" at all. That said I have at
least 4 alternative cores on my name so I might be slightly biased ;-)
Creating multiple discussion groups does not have my preference
(implying even more moderation work for me? No thank you!).
Mark, we as TC64 community invited you here and you are very welcome. Do
not get upset because one individual expresses an alternative opinion.
Spider, sorry I don't agree with you. I want all developers and
beta-testers in the same group to have the maximum use of all available
knowledge and saves time by not need to repeat postings. Maybe (but
maybe) when we have left beta stage we can create an additional group
for just C64 end-users and keep only the developers here. I don't want
to play moderator on too many separate groups. My hobby time is already
limited.
Thanx,
Peter Wendrich
webmaster of http://syntiac.com
moderator of cone_cores and chameleon_64
Post by Mark Watson scrameta-gM/Ye1E23mwN+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Can we ban this guy?
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Hi,
while this is probably a good idea, it would be really cool if you could
discuss this and everything concerning cores other than the C64 core
somewhere else...
All the atari core talk that took place here already felt very much like
spam to me, because this goes to my email and I like to keep things
sorted here.
I think it's okay when someone once in a while anounces a new core or
someone asks how to install one etc... but personally I'd like this list
to be focused on the C64 core and beta testing.
Of course this is just my opinion and if there are a lot of people
thinking differently it will be okay for me.
Cheers,
spider.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I am thinking about how to improve the usability and standardize
the user experience when using the Chameleon with the several cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
I believe that with small changes on the cores it would be easier
to learn how to use the Chameleon for newcomers and move from one
core to another.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- All the cores should reset to core 0 when right blue button is
pressed > 0.6seg
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
- Common key mapping: it would be ideal if some common key
mapping could be used between the cores, for example “+” button
should be the same button on all the cores, etc. I will write a
table with all the keymaps of the different cores and post soon.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
More than fixing the core’s compatibility bugs, the idea of this
is to help users having a common base to use the different cores.
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Any other suggestions?
jugac64-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 23:16:59 UTC
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Hi Spider-J, apologies accepted and Mark please don’t get upset! We need you here, the a8 core is awesome. Personally I will try to post a little less, but it is hard to resist :-) Best regards, Juan
Dag Jacobsen dag.jacobsen-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-08-01 01:32:25 UTC
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I feel this is very much a TC64 platform forum and appreciate any talk of
cores other than the C64 as well. Thats my 2cents as a user :-)
I look forward to try the Atari core !
Post by jugac64-***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Hi Spider-J, apologies accepted and Mark please don’t get upset! We need
you here, the a8 core is awesome. Personally I will try to post a little
less, but it is hard to resist :-) Best regards, Juan
--
Greetings
Dag
Paul Förster paul_r_foerster-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-07-31 19:25:04 UTC
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Hi Spider,

though I'm not specifically an Atari fan as such, I think it's good if other core's related issues are posted here as well because to me, this mailing list is more like a TC64 platform mailing list and not merely a C64 core related mailing list. In fact, though not being an Atari fan, I really appreciate the work Mark puts into this platform. So my vote is to keep these informations here.

But then, Peter has the last word as he is AFAIK the list owner. So the above is just my vote.

Cheers,

Paul
Post by Spider Jerusalem spider-BWapaiXhyQlfOZc0+***@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
Hi,
while this is probably a good idea, it would be really cool if you could
discuss this and everything concerning cores other than the C64 core
somewhere else...
All the atari core talk that took place here already felt very much like
spam to me, because this goes to my email and I like to keep things
sorted here.
I think it's okay when someone once in a while anounces a new core or
someone asks how to install one etc... but personally I'd like this list
to be focused on the C64 core and beta testing.
Of course this is just my opinion and if there are a lot of people
thinking differently it will be okay for me.
Cheers,
spider.
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'Steven L. Croucher' steve-MpFcE0aq/9RWkMItezQGDw@public.gmane.org [chameleon_64]
2014-08-01 15:24:49 UTC
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